Comments on: Mo Saves the Bucks’ Season — This Time http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/ All You Can Eat Milwaukee Bucks Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:59:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: matt http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 matt Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:05:52 +0000 http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/#comment-5552 I`ve followed Ivey`s whole career(high school,College,Pro).The game of basketball is more than numbers,it takes heart ,determination,sweat,hustle and grit.Those are some of Ivey `s traits ,and he does have a solid outside shot.If you watch basketball on a regular basis,you notice the small things (taking a charge,tipped passes,help defence,screens)a couple more things Ivey does.Ivey is one of the best perimeter defenders in the game(get your shit right Brett),ask Kobe Bryant,who said Ivey is one of the better defenders in a league of offensive players.Now if the Bucks other players played any defence,they wuold be above .500. I`ve followed Ivey`s whole career(high school,College,Pro).The game of basketball is more than numbers,it takes heart ,determination,sweat,hustle and grit.Those are some of Ivey `s traits ,and he does have a solid outside shot.If you watch basketball on a regular basis,you notice the small things (taking a charge,tipped passes,help defence,screens)a couple more things Ivey does.Ivey is one of the best perimeter defenders in the game(get your shit right Brett),ask Kobe Bryant,who said Ivey is one of the better defenders in a league of offensive players.Now if the Bucks other players played any defence,they wuold be above .500.

]]> By: Brett Boyer http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-5330 Brett Boyer Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:53:24 +0000 http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/#comment-5330 Thanks, Alex I was looking at Villanueva's Roland Rating too, but that data isn't weighted for teammate factors. Villanueva has played a lot of garbage time this season, so I kind of feel that his on/off court differential is influenced by a lot of court time where nobody really cared what was going on, while Yi usually plays with the starters. I wouldn't say that Villanueva is better than Yi, or that one players' ceiling is higher than the other because of +/- or counterpart PER, but I will say that Yi has looked awful lately and Villanueva is better right this minute. I do feel it's a valid measurement of Ivey, though, becuase his playing time has been pretty evenly distributed throughout games. Thanks, Alex

I was looking at Villanueva’s Roland Rating too, but that data isn’t weighted for teammate factors. Villanueva has played a lot of garbage time this season, so I kind of feel that his on/off court differential is influenced by a lot of court time where nobody really cared what was going on, while Yi usually plays with the starters.

I wouldn’t say that Villanueva is better than Yi, or that one players’ ceiling is higher than the other because of +/- or counterpart PER, but I will say that Yi has looked awful lately and Villanueva is better right this minute.

I do feel it’s a valid measurement of Ivey, though, becuase his playing time has been pretty evenly distributed throughout games.

]]> By: Alex http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/comment-page-1/#comment-5329 Alex Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:29:06 +0000 http://thebratwurst.com/2008/02/06/mo-saves-the-bucks-season-this-time/#comment-5329 Nice article, Brett. It's tough to get excited over a win against a Grizzlies club that was bad before trading away many of their best players. Tough for most team's fans maybe, but we needed and got this game. The comment about defense in general is a good one. Individual defensive players rarely neutralize real scorers, and that is played out on the court daily. Regarding Ivey, he appears to be a solid defender most of the time, but like you said it's tough to judge. Overall he's done a better job than I expected this year, but I'm really excited to see Sessions when he gets healthy. Seriously, how ridiculous is it that he completely destroys the D-League, gets called up to the NBA for the first time, and promptly breaks his hand? Ouch... I actually vouched for CV to start over Yi for quite a while. Like CV says, it's a matter of minutes, not just starting, and he definitely needs to get a lot more than 15 per game (he's up to 20 now) even when the Bucks are at full strength. The double-double comparison is pretty shocking, but Yi does have a much better Roland Rating than CV, and I don't think they are that far off overall. Nice article, Brett.

It’s tough to get excited over a win against a Grizzlies club that was bad before trading away many of their best players. Tough for most team’s fans maybe, but we needed and got this game.

The comment about defense in general is a good one. Individual defensive players rarely neutralize real scorers, and that is played out on the court daily. Regarding Ivey, he appears to be a solid defender most of the time, but like you said it’s tough to judge. Overall he’s done a better job than I expected this year, but I’m really excited to see Sessions when he gets healthy. Seriously, how ridiculous is it that he completely destroys the D-League, gets called up to the NBA for the first time, and promptly breaks his hand? Ouch…

I actually vouched for CV to start over Yi for quite a while. Like CV says, it’s a matter of minutes, not just starting, and he definitely needs to get a lot more than 15 per game (he’s up to 20 now) even when the Bucks are at full strength.

The double-double comparison is pretty shocking, but Yi does have a much better Roland Rating than CV, and I don’t think they are that far off overall.

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